Christie fires aide, apologizes for traffic jams

FILE - In this Dec. 19, 2013 file photo, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie speaks in Trenton, N.J. A day after revelations that Christie's administration may have closed highway lanes to exact political retribution, the prospective Republican presidential candidate is faced with what may be the biggest test in his political career. (AP Photo/Mel Evans, File)

FILE - In this Dec. 19, 2013 file photo, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie speaks in Trenton, N.J. A day after revelations that Christie's administration may have closed highway lanes to exact political retribution, the prospective Republican presidential candidate is faced with what may be the biggest test in his political career. (AP Photo/Mel Evans, File)

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie enters a news conference Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014, at the Statehouse in Trenton, N.J.  Christie has fired a top aide who engineered political payback against a town mayor, saying she lied. Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly is the latest casualty in a widening scandal that threatens to upend Christie's second term and likely run for president in 2016. Documents show she arranged traffic jams to punish the mayor, who didn't endorse Christie for re-election. (AP Photo/Mel Evans)

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie enters a news conference Thursday, Jan. 9, 2014, at the Statehouse in Trenton, N.J. Christie has fired a top aide who engineered political payback against a town mayor, saying she lied. Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly is the latest casualty in a widening scandal that threatens to upend Christie's second term and likely run for president in 2016. Documents show she arranged traffic jams to punish the mayor, who didn't endorse Christie for re-election. (AP Photo/Mel Evans)

— TRENTON, N.J. (AP) - Republican Gov. Chris Christie fired one of his top aides on Thursday and apologized repeatedly for his staff's "stupid" behavior, insisting during a nearly two-hour news conference that he had no idea anyone around him had engineered traffic jams as part of a political vendetta against a Democratic mayor.

"I am embarrassed and humiliated by the conduct of some of the people on my team," Christie said as he addressed the widening scandal, which could cast a shadow over his expected run for the White House in 2016.

The famously blunt governor fielded dozens of questions from reporters with uncharacteristic patience and at times a sorrowful tone.

Christie, who had previously assured the public that his staff had nothing to do with the September lane closings that caused major backups at the George Washington Bridge, said he fired Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly "because she lied to me" when he demanded weeks ago that anyone who knew anything about the episode come forward.

The gridlock in Fort Lee delayed emergency vehicles, school buses and countless commuters for four days.

Kelly was the latest casualty in the scandal. Two other top Christie appointees have resigned in the past few weeks.

The investigation broke wide open on Wednesday, with the release of emails and text messages that suggested Kelly arranged the traffic jams to punish Fort Lee's mayor for not endorsing Christie for re-election.

In other developments:

- The chief federal prosecutor in New Jersey, U.S. Attorney Paul Fishman, said he is "reviewing the matter to determine whether a federal law was implicated." The Legislature also is investigating. Using public resources for political ends can be a crime. Democratic Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, a former prosecutor and mayor, said there was "no doubt" a crime was committed.

- David Wildstein, a Christie appointee who resigned from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey after being implicated in the scandal, was found in contempt by a legislative committee on Thursday after he invoked his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and refused to answer questions. The Port Authority operates the bridge and other area bridges and transit hubs.

- Christie traveled to Fort Lee later in the day and apologized in person to Mayor Mark Sokolich. Christie said they had a "productive meeting," and Sokolich told The Record newspaper the governor had taken "a big step" toward regaining the trust of Fort Lee's residents.

- Six state residents, though, filed a federal lawsuit against Christie, the state, the Port Authority and others, calling the traffic jams "deliberate actions."

The political-payback allegations turned a local traffic furor into a national issue and raised questions about Christie's leadership and integrity as he lays the groundwork for a White House bid. Democrats at the national level have seized on the scandal as more evidence that Christie is a bully.

The governor brushed off questions about the effect on his presidential prospects, saying he was too busy governing the state to think about that.

"I am absolutely nowhere near beginning that consideration process," he said. "I haven't even been sworn in for my second term yet."

Afterward, some political analysts on both sides of the aisle said Christie would probably pull through OK - provided there are no more surprises.

Democratic operative David Axelrod complimented Christie for handling the news conference "as well as he could," writing on Twitter: "Unless smoking gun turns up tying him to scheme, or others arise, he lives 2 fight another day."

Besides firing Kelly, Christie cut ties to former campaign manager Bill Stepien, asking him to withdraw a bid to become the next state GOP chairman. The governor said he was disturbed by the "callous indifference" displayed by Stepien in the emails released Wednesday.

Stepien had widely been seen as a potential campaign manager for Christie if he runs for president.

Christie said he is still looking into the traffic jam episode and will take action against other senior staff members if it is warranted.

Over and over, Christie took responsibility for the affair by virtue of his role as governor while simultaneously blaming his staff for doing something "stupid" and for not telling him the truth when he asked.

He said he saw the emails and text messages for the first time on Wednesday and was "blindsided" by what he read and outraged by the callous language. He said he was left "heartbroken" and "betrayed" by his tight-knit circle of advisers.

"I had no knowledge or involvement in this issue, in its planning or execution," Christie said of the lane closings. "And I am stunned by the abject stupidity that was shown here."

Kelly hasn't commented. Christie said he hadn't spoken to her or asked to hear her side of the story since the emails were released, saying he didn't want to be accused of trying to influence a possible witness.

"Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," Kelly wrote in August in a message to Wildstein.

"Got it," Wildstein replied.

A few weeks later, Wildstein closed two of three lanes connecting Fort Lee to the George Washington Bridge, which runs between New Jersey and New York City and is one of the busiest bridges in the world, crossed by more than 100 million vehicles a year.

In the back-and-forth emails and text messages that followed, Christie loyalists gloated over the traffic jams and called the Fort Lee mayor "an idiot" and "this little Serbian."

For weeks, Christie had asserted that the closings were not punitive but were part of a traffic study and that no one on his staff was involved. On Thursday, he acknowledged that was a lie, that his staff misled him. He said he still had no idea whether there even was a traffic study.

Christie said he believed his staff in part because he had never heard of Sokolich and had no idea the Christie camp was even seeking the Democrat's endorsement.

Still, the governor said: "I am responsible for what happened. I am sad to report to the people of New Jersey that we fell short."

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Associated Press writer Steve Peoples in Washington contributed to this report.

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FactsMatter writes:

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Mina writes:

Today's Republican party is basically a gang of well financed, politically connected thugs.

ms_reason writes:

Yeah, Democrats NEVER lie.
They are completely honest. You people never fail....you live on lies.

ms_reason writes:

Hillary is s much better candidate. She never lies.

rationalthinker writes:

This is so much bigger a scandal than initially meets the eye. It demonstrates a man and a political philosophy in which it is not acceptable to disagree. Those who disagree with the Governor do so at their physical peril. The Governor & his staff affirmatively went out to hurt, in real physical terms, the Mayor of Ft. Lee and his constituents, most of whom supported his Gubernatorial political opponent. Nothing could be more Taliban.

There will, no doubt be those who scream Benghazi. Fools all. Benghazi was an incident of criminal conduct, terrorist conduct by citizens ofr a foreign nation on their own soil and not subject to American policing. Only the most dishonest political partisan would attempt to claim the government intentionally tried to harm the ambassador or his staff. Here,, Gov. Christies staff, for which he is ultimately responsible, engaged in criminal conduct which was intended to and did put citizens of Ft. Lee in peril. If any ciotizen died oin the way to hospital, if any citizen was hurt by inability of first responders to reach any kind of emergency, there is actual criminal liability, from assault, battery, reaching all the way to culpability for homicide based on the felony murder rule. It's conduct more Nixonian than Nixon's own.

Cy writes:

Good riddance to this oaf.

Mina writes:

Personally, I think these attacks on our Commander in Chief over Benghazi are an Un-American comfort to the Enemy.

I think US unrest and discord is exactly what the enemy was hoping for when they attacked us.

The right wing is giving each of those terrorists reason to celebrate their accomplishment and challenging others to try to top it.

Patron writes:

Obama has a tantrum and shuts down the government over delaying a bad program one year and everyone's up in arms about a lane closure? Not saying it's right, just saying...

OnTheOutside writes:

The anti campaign money machine is already in the works I see. This is almost as bad as the right screaming out "Benghazi" all the time.

Humble_Beginnings writes:

RINO-thug Christie is toast.

His career died when he endorsed using taxpayer dollars to pay for in state tuition for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

VC_Bike writes:

The republican leader Boehner says that congress should be judged by how many laws it repeals, not how well it works for all US citizens. McConnell says that the number one priority for republicans is not to serve all citizens of the US, but to make Obama a one term president.

Is it any wonder that such a party has as a front runner for president in the next election a person interested in serving ONLY those who serve him.

The republican motto seems to be something that George Bush said, "if you are not with us, you are against us". Right up there with George Orwell's "some are more equal than others" when applied to domestic politics.

Are petty, vindictive and partisan accurate words to describe ALL republicans - as Fox News says, you decide.

Humble_Beginnings writes:

in response to Mina:

Today's Republican party is basically a gang of well financed, politically connected thugs.

Actually your description fits the Democrat party too.

Obama lied, over and over and over again, and his career did not seem to be harmed one bit. Bill Clinton lied, under oath even, and he is still a democrat icon. Obama used the IRS to bully, but no problem, because the scumbag journalists just sweep them under the rug.

ms_reason writes:

"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."

LIE

Cy writes:

So Christie's arrogant, aggressive, buffoonish behavior was not just an act?

sionygriffith#401167 writes:

Julian Castro for President!!!!!

Mina writes:

in response to Patron:

Obama has a tantrum and shuts down the government over delaying a bad program one year and everyone's up in arms about a lane closure? Not saying it's right, just saying...

Every US voter needs to familiarize themselves with the constitution, especially these provisions:
Article 1, Section 7 of the US constitution:

"All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constituti...

That means congress writes the budget. The president only proposes the budget, it's not official and legal until congress approves it, and they get to make any changes they want.

And the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, Section 4, “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constituti...

and understand the the government shut down and the entire budget crisis is completely, 100% the responsibility and the failure of House Majority speaker, John Boehner.

If you're still not clear on that, please watch this quick, informative video, The Debt Limit Explained, by CGPGrey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIbkoo...

Mina writes:

It's Congress's job to write the budget and get it approved, and the president's job to carry it out.

Bush spent more than budgeted every year he was in office and at the end he sprung a $700 billion bank bail out on the nation in which he left a loophole that allowed the banks to spend the bailout money on executive bonuses.

Dawn43 writes:

It's New Jersey! What do you expect? His name does end with a vowel, ya know... LOL

FormerNPer writes:

I love it.

Chris Cristy has an aid who does something completely inappropriate and he is unaware of it. When he finds out he condemns the act and fires the offending party. Democrats scream the loudest about how horrible this is, wanting his head too.

Obama has the NSA and the IRS scandal and claims he has no knowledge of these events. No one is fired, Democrats feel bad, but say, hey the President didn't know.

Amazing what scum sucking Liberals do, isn't it?

I don't even like Chris Cristy, but you folks take the cake. How about we have him resign, because it was in fact his aid that did this, it was very dangerous and the buck stops at the top. Then, right behind Christy, I would like to see Obama's resignation. It was his Administration who has abused Conservatives with the IRS and who uses the NSA to listen to folks he has no right to listen too. After all, the buck stops at the top.

Piru_T writes:

in response to Mina:

Personally, I think these attacks on our Commander in Chief over Benghazi are an Un-American comfort to the Enemy.

I think US unrest and discord is exactly what the enemy was hoping for when they attacked us.

The right wing is giving each of those terrorists reason to celebrate their accomplishment and challenging others to try to top it.

Lookie here folks, this is a prime example of Meana's blatant stupidity and incredible hypocrisy over Benghazi in which to this day, not one of the survivors has been able to speak freely without retribution from the Obama Administration, clearly to protect Hillary from Damning evidence of misconduct and most importantly an election year cover up.

Obama and Hillary have yet to answer the questions or speak on the record as to what really happened on 9/11/12.

Meana, you are the one giving aid and comfort to the enemy by blaming the GOP for what happened in Libya and what is happening now in Syria, Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq.

TheCrusader writes:

Chris Christie has now shown he is not fit to be a Governor and not fit to be President! Hillary Clinton 2016!!

waynes-world writes:

in response to TheCrusader:

Chris Christie has now shown he is not fit to be a Governor and not fit to be President! Hillary Clinton 2016!!

Oh yea Hillary, she doesn't lie. At least Christie fired the person responsible. In the Obozo administration, no one is held responsible and no one is fired.

rationalthinker1 writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

I love it.

Chris Cristy has an aid who does something completely inappropriate and he is unaware of it. When he finds out he condemns the act and fires the offending party. Democrats scream the loudest about how horrible this is, wanting his head too.

Obama has the NSA and the IRS scandal and claims he has no knowledge of these events. No one is fired, Democrats feel bad, but say, hey the President didn't know.

Amazing what scum sucking Liberals do, isn't it?

I don't even like Chris Cristy, but you folks take the cake. How about we have him resign, because it was in fact his aid that did this, it was very dangerous and the buck stops at the top. Then, right behind Christy, I would like to see Obama's resignation. It was his Administration who has abused Conservatives with the IRS and who uses the NSA to listen to folks he has no right to listen too. After all, the buck stops at the top.

The inability of some to understand the distinctions which render events different from each other is mind boggling.

Christie's staff intentionally went out of their way to cause injury to the citizens of Ft.Lee. By some new reports, it appears that at least one woman may have died due to delay in getting her to hospital.

In Benghazi, the Ambassador, on his own initiative, and at the last moment,left the Tripoli embassy and go to Benghazi where the consulate was surrounded and attacked by a mob. He was not ordered to go there by the DOS. The closest US base was 400 miles or more away. He and his staff were dead long before any rescue mission could be mounted. A tragedy to be sure. but the critical difference is that no one in the Administration intentionally created a situation where death or other injury would be likely to occur. Diplomats, who sign on for such posts recognize the risks, even relish those risks as do professional military who volunteer for combat. It's part of the job. So, there is simply no comparison between Benghazi and this.

It is equally inaccurate to compare the so called NSA scandal to this. First, the NSA has been collecting metadata since the Nixon Administration. The current program continues the Nixon era program of recording the sending address and the recipient address of every piece of mail. Next, it is even unclear as to whether it was being done by the NSA itself or by independent for profit "contractors" affiliated with, among others, Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Either way, I , as a progressive think it's wrong, but I would point out what Christie himself said today in his own defense. As NJ's chief executive he can't possibly personally know what each independent agency is doing let alone what their employees are doing. Here, Christie has way more to explain away because the clearly criminal misconduct was engaged in by his closest personal advisors and friends. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of some degree of slack, but it was clear from the get go that the closures were politically motivated and as incumbent governor & candidate in an ongoing campaign he failed to discharge his duty to call the NY Port of Authority personally at the time the event was taking place.

As for the IRS, not even close comparison. The IRS is supposed to audit applicants for tax exempt status. It may be they went after conservative organizations more frequently, but keep in mind, the IRS Commissioner was and is a lifelong REpublican, a Bush 2 appointee, as was the head of the Cincinnati office where the problems took place. And the IRS is by law run separately from the Executive Branch.

If Christie gets a break for not knowing what his closest advisors were doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every employee of NJ was doing, the same principal certainly applies to the President.

FormerNPer writes:

in response to rationalthinker1:

The inability of some to understand the distinctions which render events different from each other is mind boggling.

Christie's staff intentionally went out of their way to cause injury to the citizens of Ft.Lee. By some new reports, it appears that at least one woman may have died due to delay in getting her to hospital.

In Benghazi, the Ambassador, on his own initiative, and at the last moment,left the Tripoli embassy and go to Benghazi where the consulate was surrounded and attacked by a mob. He was not ordered to go there by the DOS. The closest US base was 400 miles or more away. He and his staff were dead long before any rescue mission could be mounted. A tragedy to be sure. but the critical difference is that no one in the Administration intentionally created a situation where death or other injury would be likely to occur. Diplomats, who sign on for such posts recognize the risks, even relish those risks as do professional military who volunteer for combat. It's part of the job. So, there is simply no comparison between Benghazi and this.

It is equally inaccurate to compare the so called NSA scandal to this. First, the NSA has been collecting metadata since the Nixon Administration. The current program continues the Nixon era program of recording the sending address and the recipient address of every piece of mail. Next, it is even unclear as to whether it was being done by the NSA itself or by independent for profit "contractors" affiliated with, among others, Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Either way, I , as a progressive think it's wrong, but I would point out what Christie himself said today in his own defense. As NJ's chief executive he can't possibly personally know what each independent agency is doing let alone what their employees are doing. Here, Christie has way more to explain away because the clearly criminal misconduct was engaged in by his closest personal advisors and friends. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of some degree of slack, but it was clear from the get go that the closures were politically motivated and as incumbent governor & candidate in an ongoing campaign he failed to discharge his duty to call the NY Port of Authority personally at the time the event was taking place.

As for the IRS, not even close comparison. The IRS is supposed to audit applicants for tax exempt status. It may be they went after conservative organizations more frequently, but keep in mind, the IRS Commissioner was and is a lifelong REpublican, a Bush 2 appointee, as was the head of the Cincinnati office where the problems took place. And the IRS is by law run separately from the Executive Branch.

If Christie gets a break for not knowing what his closest advisors were doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every employee of NJ was doing, the same principal certainly applies to the President.

I'm sure it does boggle your mind. It must be difficult to accept that every time something untoward, unethical, or inappropriate happens in the Obama Administration he is let off the hook because, "he had no knowledge." Yet when that happens to a Republican, the Democrat's don't believe he "had no knowledge." Welcome to our world. I happen to believe it is very likely Chris Cristie knew what was going on, and it is even more likely that Obama always knows what is going on. The truth is, if Obama doesn't know what his IRS, NSA or Defense Department are doing, he is either very unintelligent or very inept.

It is also mind boggling that you believe traffic in New Jersey is so much worse than 4 deaths in Benghazi, U.S. Citizens harassed and denied their rights by the IRS due to their political beliefs and the over reach of the Patriot Act by the NSA. We sit in traffic every day on our Freeways, and quite often our streets are gridlocked when Obama comes to town to rub shoulders with his Hollywood buddies. Poor people in Jersey that dealt with our daily issues. I will say a prayer for them tonight to get over the horrors they experienced.

Basically I will use your last comment in closing, without the Lefty twist. If Obama gets a break for not knowing what his Administration was doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every person who works for him is doing, the same principle certainly applies to a mere Governor.

Mina writes:

in response to VC_Bike:

The republican leader Boehner says that congress should be judged by how many laws it repeals, not how well it works for all US citizens. McConnell says that the number one priority for republicans is not to serve all citizens of the US, but to make Obama a one term president.

Is it any wonder that such a party has as a front runner for president in the next election a person interested in serving ONLY those who serve him.

The republican motto seems to be something that George Bush said, "if you are not with us, you are against us". Right up there with George Orwell's "some are more equal than others" when applied to domestic politics.

Are petty, vindictive and partisan accurate words to describe ALL republicans - as Fox News says, you decide.

The word that comes to my mind is "criminal".

Mina writes:

in response to Cy:

So Christie's arrogant, aggressive, buffoonish behavior was not just an act?

Good one!

Mina writes:

in response to rationalthinker1:

The inability of some to understand the distinctions which render events different from each other is mind boggling.

Christie's staff intentionally went out of their way to cause injury to the citizens of Ft.Lee. By some new reports, it appears that at least one woman may have died due to delay in getting her to hospital.

In Benghazi, the Ambassador, on his own initiative, and at the last moment,left the Tripoli embassy and go to Benghazi where the consulate was surrounded and attacked by a mob. He was not ordered to go there by the DOS. The closest US base was 400 miles or more away. He and his staff were dead long before any rescue mission could be mounted. A tragedy to be sure. but the critical difference is that no one in the Administration intentionally created a situation where death or other injury would be likely to occur. Diplomats, who sign on for such posts recognize the risks, even relish those risks as do professional military who volunteer for combat. It's part of the job. So, there is simply no comparison between Benghazi and this.

It is equally inaccurate to compare the so called NSA scandal to this. First, the NSA has been collecting metadata since the Nixon Administration. The current program continues the Nixon era program of recording the sending address and the recipient address of every piece of mail. Next, it is even unclear as to whether it was being done by the NSA itself or by independent for profit "contractors" affiliated with, among others, Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Either way, I , as a progressive think it's wrong, but I would point out what Christie himself said today in his own defense. As NJ's chief executive he can't possibly personally know what each independent agency is doing let alone what their employees are doing. Here, Christie has way more to explain away because the clearly criminal misconduct was engaged in by his closest personal advisors and friends. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of some degree of slack, but it was clear from the get go that the closures were politically motivated and as incumbent governor & candidate in an ongoing campaign he failed to discharge his duty to call the NY Port of Authority personally at the time the event was taking place.

As for the IRS, not even close comparison. The IRS is supposed to audit applicants for tax exempt status. It may be they went after conservative organizations more frequently, but keep in mind, the IRS Commissioner was and is a lifelong REpublican, a Bush 2 appointee, as was the head of the Cincinnati office where the problems took place. And the IRS is by law run separately from the Executive Branch.

If Christie gets a break for not knowing what his closest advisors were doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every employee of NJ was doing, the same principal certainly applies to the President.

Right on!

Mina writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

I'm sure it does boggle your mind. It must be difficult to accept that every time something untoward, unethical, or inappropriate happens in the Obama Administration he is let off the hook because, "he had no knowledge." Yet when that happens to a Republican, the Democrat's don't believe he "had no knowledge." Welcome to our world. I happen to believe it is very likely Chris Cristie knew what was going on, and it is even more likely that Obama always knows what is going on. The truth is, if Obama doesn't know what his IRS, NSA or Defense Department are doing, he is either very unintelligent or very inept.

It is also mind boggling that you believe traffic in New Jersey is so much worse than 4 deaths in Benghazi, U.S. Citizens harassed and denied their rights by the IRS due to their political beliefs and the over reach of the Patriot Act by the NSA. We sit in traffic every day on our Freeways, and quite often our streets are gridlocked when Obama comes to town to rub shoulders with his Hollywood buddies. Poor people in Jersey that dealt with our daily issues. I will say a prayer for them tonight to get over the horrors they experienced.

Basically I will use your last comment in closing, without the Lefty twist. If Obama gets a break for not knowing what his Administration was doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every person who works for him is doing, the same principle certainly applies to a mere Governor.

Remember the Valerie Plame case?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/...

FormerNPer writes:

in response to Mina:

Remember the Valerie Plame case?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/...

What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China? Just another way to bash Bush, who is not even relevant to this situation?

Please explain your ridiculous comment about Valerie Plame and what reason you brought it up.

Thanks.

TheRevWillyD writes:

in response to Humble_Beginnings:

Actually your description fits the Democrat party too.

Obama lied, over and over and over again, and his career did not seem to be harmed one bit. Bill Clinton lied, under oath even, and he is still a democrat icon. Obama used the IRS to bully, but no problem, because the scumbag journalists just sweep them under the rug.

and then an Obama donor was appointed to lead the "investigation".

TheRevWillyD writes:

in response to Mina:

Personally, I think these attacks on our Commander in Chief over Benghazi are an Un-American comfort to the Enemy.

I think US unrest and discord is exactly what the enemy was hoping for when they attacked us.

The right wing is giving each of those terrorists reason to celebrate their accomplishment and challenging others to try to top it.

Another cut and paste. Do you have text file of talking points you simply, mindlessly cut and paste from ?

Patron writes:

in response to TheRevWillyD:

Another cut and paste. Do you have text file of talking points you simply, mindlessly cut and paste from ?

It's cut and paste but with round nose safety scissors. In her ward they don't allow sharp objects.

Traditional-2 writes:

"The Big Three networks, in a frenzy over New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's traffic headache dubbed “Bridgegate,” have devoted a whopping 34 minutes and 28 seconds of coverage to the affair in just the last 24 hours.

By comparison, that's 17 times the two minutes, eight seconds devoted to President Obama's IRS scandal in the last six months, according to an analysis by the Media Research Center."

rationalthinker1 writes:

In reply to the following:"It is also mind boggling that you believe traffic in New Jersey is so much worse than 4 deaths in Benghazi, U.S. Citizens harassed and denied their rights by the IRS due to their political beliefs and the over reach of the Patriot Act by the NSA. We sit in traffic every day on our Freeways, and quite often our streets are gridlocked when Obama comes to town to rub shoulders with his Hollywood buddies. Poor people in Jersey that dealt with our daily issues. I will say a prayer for them tonight to get over the horrors they experienced."

Piru has little regard for facts and less for MALICIOUS INTENT.

Chritably, Christie's closest advisors schemed to intentionally harm the citizens of Ft. Lee. Intentional gridlock sounds like a simple inconvenient prank to Piru. It delayed EMS response time and is cited as a factor in the death of an elderly woman. Piru doesn't care cause she was elderly. Currently this is the only death associated with the event Time will tell.

Benghazi. A critical difference makes the conduct of Christie's staff far worse. They INTENDED harm. For political gain.

There was absolutely nothing the Administration or the military could do to affect the outcome in Libya. Piru knows but ignores it cause it is fatal to his narrative.

The IRS Another red herring. The IRS by law is separate from the Executive Branch of government. The IRS Commissioner is a lifelong GOP Bush 2 appointee. Lerner was also a Bush 2 appointee as was the head of the Cincinnati IRS office where the activities took place. Given the civil war between the T Party and mainline GOP we see daily, it is clear that the IRS activities are part of that combat.

The GOP has a long standing history of criminal conduct and thuggery. The RNC "dirty tricks squad" which culminated in the Watergate Burglary. Nixon's ORDERS TO THE IRS TO HARRASS HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS resulted in legislation separating IRS from the Executive. The undisputed illegal conduct of Reagan and Bush 1 in privately negotiating with the Ayatollahs to keep American Embassy personnel hostage during the Presidential campaign against Carter. The Iran Contra scandal to arm the same Ayatollahs. Bush 2's withholding of intelligence from Congress which demonstrated the lies being presented to Congress to justify and secure Congressional approval of his war in Iraq. How many dead?

Now Gov. Christie. In 1956 Nixon said "I am not a crook". A lie. He was a political thug, head of a garden variety band of burglars. Christie says "I am not a bully". Like Nixon, he too has tried to distance himself from actions of his very closest personal confidants. Watergate wasn't just G. Gordon Liddy. It was Nixon's buddies Haldeman & Ehrlichman, just as this scandal is presided over by Christies closest buddies.

This AM it is reported that the fired Dep. Chief of Staff claims she was thrown under the bus.

Piru_T writes:

in response to rationalthinker:

This is so much bigger a scandal than initially meets the eye. It demonstrates a man and a political philosophy in which it is not acceptable to disagree. Those who disagree with the Governor do so at their physical peril. The Governor & his staff affirmatively went out to hurt, in real physical terms, the Mayor of Ft. Lee and his constituents, most of whom supported his Gubernatorial political opponent. Nothing could be more Taliban.

There will, no doubt be those who scream Benghazi. Fools all. Benghazi was an incident of criminal conduct, terrorist conduct by citizens ofr a foreign nation on their own soil and not subject to American policing. Only the most dishonest political partisan would attempt to claim the government intentionally tried to harm the ambassador or his staff. Here,, Gov. Christies staff, for which he is ultimately responsible, engaged in criminal conduct which was intended to and did put citizens of Ft. Lee in peril. If any ciotizen died oin the way to hospital, if any citizen was hurt by inability of first responders to reach any kind of emergency, there is actual criminal liability, from assault, battery, reaching all the way to culpability for homicide based on the felony murder rule. It's conduct more Nixonian than Nixon's own.

Comrade Irrational your dreaming again about a Fabian Socialist Hillary world again !

I would like to say that I am in no way a Christie supporter, however you certainly should be given the fact that Christie gave Obumble at least a 3 percentage point push in late October of 2012.

You Fabian Socialists should be thanking Christie and doing everything possible to get him to switch parties, rather than attacking him.

I also would like to point out that he at least took the Bull by the horns and addressed this issue directly and without a willing press corp or TelePrompTer at his disposal and stood there and directly answered questions after firing those who were responsible for these shenanigans on the New Jersey highways.

It certainly does not surprise me reading statements from Leftist Tools like yourself, bringing up Benghazi or some other stupid comparison as to so recklessly compare an Al Queada attack (which it was) to a traffic jam.

Yes folks you have it straight from the Dumbacrats themselves that a traffic jam is the equivalent to the slaughter of Americans in Libya or that Chris Christie has now joined the Taliban and is sending his "Plumbers" out on the highways ala Nixonian.

This is a clear act of desperation by the Left to assassinate the character of someone who of all things aided Obumble many times at the behest of his own party as to draw away attention from Hillary and Obumble who are less than forthcoming and dishonest to the point that none of their statements or positions has much credibility anymore, and the proof of that is in the polls !

You guys can fabricate anything you want over the next two years, it ain't going to change the facts of your party's failures that will be clear as possibly could be when the realities of this incompetent presidents record starts to come out this year and I am one who is ready to do my part in beating your party to a pulp come November.

Piru_T writes:

in response to rationalthinker1:

In reply to the following:"It is also mind boggling that you believe traffic in New Jersey is so much worse than 4 deaths in Benghazi, U.S. Citizens harassed and denied their rights by the IRS due to their political beliefs and the over reach of the Patriot Act by the NSA. We sit in traffic every day on our Freeways, and quite often our streets are gridlocked when Obama comes to town to rub shoulders with his Hollywood buddies. Poor people in Jersey that dealt with our daily issues. I will say a prayer for them tonight to get over the horrors they experienced."

Piru has little regard for facts and less for MALICIOUS INTENT.

Chritably, Christie's closest advisors schemed to intentionally harm the citizens of Ft. Lee. Intentional gridlock sounds like a simple inconvenient prank to Piru. It delayed EMS response time and is cited as a factor in the death of an elderly woman. Piru doesn't care cause she was elderly. Currently this is the only death associated with the event Time will tell.

Benghazi. A critical difference makes the conduct of Christie's staff far worse. They INTENDED harm. For political gain.

There was absolutely nothing the Administration or the military could do to affect the outcome in Libya. Piru knows but ignores it cause it is fatal to his narrative.

The IRS Another red herring. The IRS by law is separate from the Executive Branch of government. The IRS Commissioner is a lifelong GOP Bush 2 appointee. Lerner was also a Bush 2 appointee as was the head of the Cincinnati IRS office where the activities took place. Given the civil war between the T Party and mainline GOP we see daily, it is clear that the IRS activities are part of that combat.

The GOP has a long standing history of criminal conduct and thuggery. The RNC "dirty tricks squad" which culminated in the Watergate Burglary. Nixon's ORDERS TO THE IRS TO HARRASS HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS resulted in legislation separating IRS from the Executive. The undisputed illegal conduct of Reagan and Bush 1 in privately negotiating with the Ayatollahs to keep American Embassy personnel hostage during the Presidential campaign against Carter. The Iran Contra scandal to arm the same Ayatollahs. Bush 2's withholding of intelligence from Congress which demonstrated the lies being presented to Congress to justify and secure Congressional approval of his war in Iraq. How many dead?

Now Gov. Christie. In 1956 Nixon said "I am not a crook". A lie. He was a political thug, head of a garden variety band of burglars. Christie says "I am not a bully". Like Nixon, he too has tried to distance himself from actions of his very closest personal confidants. Watergate wasn't just G. Gordon Liddy. It was Nixon's buddies Haldeman & Ehrlichman, just as this scandal is presided over by Christies closest buddies.

This AM it is reported that the fired Dep. Chief of Staff claims she was thrown under the bus.

Well Comrade Irrational 1.0 or 2.0 I want to say that I am a he or him as opposed to She, but given today's options to chose who we are from day to day, maybe we should all keep our options open as to what gender will serve us best as Private Bradley or Chelsea Manning has done so well while fighting for your liberal cause, but I digress.

I do say that when my screen name is mentioned before I have even commented on a subject only goes to show that I am having a positive effect on Leftist Tools like yourself and your alter egos as well.

I refer much of my response to my previous statement and look forward to the challenge in the coming year in going toe to toe with you, albeit in high heels or combat boots, conservatives will be getting their message through, in spite of the mischaracterizations made by the likes of you or those on your side.

BTW everything in your post is BS, too easy and redundant to defeat so I for now will refrain from wasting my time destroying your stupid made up arguments that are straight out of the Howard Dean playbook.

Look forward to this year and 2016 its going to be a real interesting.

Piru_T writes:

Oh do want to say that I did make an earlier post, but wasn't going to comment on what's going on in New Jersey, but had to respond to Meana's stupid remarks that seem to be Liberally Universal !

Piru_T writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China? Just another way to bash Bush, who is not even relevant to this situation?

Please explain your ridiculous comment about Valerie Plame and what reason you brought it up.

Thanks.

NPer,
Yah gotta love it !!

These Libs are scraping the bottom of the barrel so badly looking for political fuel that I am waiting for Fran Pavley to start asking the oil industry to help them with their own form of "Political Fracking" because their well are plum dry out of pay dirt !

Pretty soon we will be reading about GHW Bush's SR-71 trip to Europe in the 1984 thriller "October Surprise"

Dough!

FormerNPer writes:

in response to rationalthinker1:

In reply to the following:"It is also mind boggling that you believe traffic in New Jersey is so much worse than 4 deaths in Benghazi, U.S. Citizens harassed and denied their rights by the IRS due to their political beliefs and the over reach of the Patriot Act by the NSA. We sit in traffic every day on our Freeways, and quite often our streets are gridlocked when Obama comes to town to rub shoulders with his Hollywood buddies. Poor people in Jersey that dealt with our daily issues. I will say a prayer for them tonight to get over the horrors they experienced."

Piru has little regard for facts and less for MALICIOUS INTENT.

Chritably, Christie's closest advisors schemed to intentionally harm the citizens of Ft. Lee. Intentional gridlock sounds like a simple inconvenient prank to Piru. It delayed EMS response time and is cited as a factor in the death of an elderly woman. Piru doesn't care cause she was elderly. Currently this is the only death associated with the event Time will tell.

Benghazi. A critical difference makes the conduct of Christie's staff far worse. They INTENDED harm. For political gain.

There was absolutely nothing the Administration or the military could do to affect the outcome in Libya. Piru knows but ignores it cause it is fatal to his narrative.

The IRS Another red herring. The IRS by law is separate from the Executive Branch of government. The IRS Commissioner is a lifelong GOP Bush 2 appointee. Lerner was also a Bush 2 appointee as was the head of the Cincinnati IRS office where the activities took place. Given the civil war between the T Party and mainline GOP we see daily, it is clear that the IRS activities are part of that combat.

The GOP has a long standing history of criminal conduct and thuggery. The RNC "dirty tricks squad" which culminated in the Watergate Burglary. Nixon's ORDERS TO THE IRS TO HARRASS HIS POLITICAL OPPONENTS resulted in legislation separating IRS from the Executive. The undisputed illegal conduct of Reagan and Bush 1 in privately negotiating with the Ayatollahs to keep American Embassy personnel hostage during the Presidential campaign against Carter. The Iran Contra scandal to arm the same Ayatollahs. Bush 2's withholding of intelligence from Congress which demonstrated the lies being presented to Congress to justify and secure Congressional approval of his war in Iraq. How many dead?

Now Gov. Christie. In 1956 Nixon said "I am not a crook". A lie. He was a political thug, head of a garden variety band of burglars. Christie says "I am not a bully". Like Nixon, he too has tried to distance himself from actions of his very closest personal confidants. Watergate wasn't just G. Gordon Liddy. It was Nixon's buddies Haldeman & Ehrlichman, just as this scandal is presided over by Christies closest buddies.

This AM it is reported that the fired Dep. Chief of Staff claims she was thrown under the bus.

First and foremost, you owe Piru an apology, because the quote you attributed to him was mine.

Malicious Intent. All these incidents were Malicious. Whether it was the IRS targeting, the Benghazi attack or traffic in Jersey. They were all done maliciously, and with political intent. In all the incidents the reason, "I didn't know what was going on," was given. That is the simple point.

The difference between Obama and Cristie in these "malicious" incidents? No one has been arrested in the Benghazi incident. No one has been fired for the situation at the IRS, and no one fired for the NSA problems. In the Cristie incident, the person responsible was fired. Action was taken.

The other difference? The Democrats had no problem accepting Obama's claim of no knowledge, and then further lack of action. Now that it's Cristie, the rhetoric is rabid. Republican's want action in ALL cases, and are even wondering if Cristie didn't go far enough.

What amazes me the most is that your side can't see the hypocrisy that is running rampant. Why does Obama get a pass for, "not knowing," and Cristie is vilified? Don't go back to your malicious explanation, we already determined all incidents had malicious undertone. Why does the President get a pass for his inaction (and in the case of Benghazi, the video lie), and Cristie is treated by the Democrats as if he should be put in front of a firing squad. Please explain that. Oh, and leave out the history lesson, direct your response as to their actions after "finding out."

Finally, the family of the lady that died said traffic had nothing to do with her death. She was dead when the Paramedics got there and nothing would have changed that.

Eagleshift writes:

in response to rationalthinker1:

The inability of some to understand the distinctions which render events different from each other is mind boggling.

Christie's staff intentionally went out of their way to cause injury to the citizens of Ft.Lee. By some new reports, it appears that at least one woman may have died due to delay in getting her to hospital.

In Benghazi, the Ambassador, on his own initiative, and at the last moment,left the Tripoli embassy and go to Benghazi where the consulate was surrounded and attacked by a mob. He was not ordered to go there by the DOS. The closest US base was 400 miles or more away. He and his staff were dead long before any rescue mission could be mounted. A tragedy to be sure. but the critical difference is that no one in the Administration intentionally created a situation where death or other injury would be likely to occur. Diplomats, who sign on for such posts recognize the risks, even relish those risks as do professional military who volunteer for combat. It's part of the job. So, there is simply no comparison between Benghazi and this.

It is equally inaccurate to compare the so called NSA scandal to this. First, the NSA has been collecting metadata since the Nixon Administration. The current program continues the Nixon era program of recording the sending address and the recipient address of every piece of mail. Next, it is even unclear as to whether it was being done by the NSA itself or by independent for profit "contractors" affiliated with, among others, Dick Cheney's Halliburton. Either way, I , as a progressive think it's wrong, but I would point out what Christie himself said today in his own defense. As NJ's chief executive he can't possibly personally know what each independent agency is doing let alone what their employees are doing. Here, Christie has way more to explain away because the clearly criminal misconduct was engaged in by his closest personal advisors and friends. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of some degree of slack, but it was clear from the get go that the closures were politically motivated and as incumbent governor & candidate in an ongoing campaign he failed to discharge his duty to call the NY Port of Authority personally at the time the event was taking place.

As for the IRS, not even close comparison. The IRS is supposed to audit applicants for tax exempt status. It may be they went after conservative organizations more frequently, but keep in mind, the IRS Commissioner was and is a lifelong REpublican, a Bush 2 appointee, as was the head of the Cincinnati office where the problems took place. And the IRS is by law run separately from the Executive Branch.

If Christie gets a break for not knowing what his closest advisors were doing on his personal political behalf because, as he put it, he can't possibly know what every department head or every employee of NJ was doing, the same principal certainly applies to the President.

Nice post.

yeswecan writes:

in response to Eagleshift:

Nice post.

DItto :)

rjlebeck writes:

This brewing scandal has done what no doctor or political opponent has heretofore managed to accomplish:

It make Chris Christie look small.

Mina writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China? Just another way to bash Bush, who is not even relevant to this situation?

Please explain your ridiculous comment about Valerie Plame and what reason you brought it up.

Thanks.

The difference is that when Democrats accuse someone they have proof. When Republicans accuse someone all they have is a vendetta.

In the Valerie Plame case, Libby was indited because he actually broke the law and there's proof.

No one has been prosecuted in the Benghazi case because no law was broken and everyone did their job. Just as a cop in a difficult situation may misfire and shoot the wrong person, that doesn't mean they were guilty - it means they're only human.

There's a big difference.

Piru_T writes:

in response to Mina:

The difference is that when Democrats accuse someone they have proof. When Republicans accuse someone all they have is a vendetta.

In the Valerie Plame case, Libby was indited because he actually broke the law and there's proof.

No one has been prosecuted in the Benghazi case because no law was broken and everyone did their job. Just as a cop in a difficult situation may misfire and shoot the wrong person, that doesn't mean they were guilty - it means they're only human.

There's a big difference.

Hogwash !

To say that your crooked party is above the the gutter that they reside is preposterous and you are going to be shocked at the amount of dirt the GOP has on Hillary going all the way back to Arkansas, which is no doubt why so much political hay is being made over this in the hopes it will stick, but it won't.

1) Valerie Plame was already well known to be an employee of the CIA, Scooter Libby never divulged or compromised any of her actions but was was found to be illegal for only political reasons.

2) Not one of the Benghazi survivors has been allowed by the Obama Administration to testify to Congress or answer questions to the media.

3) Members of the Democrat party are masters in trying Republicans by innuendo rather than fact by their practice of Goebbelist policy of keep repeating the lie and it will stick.

Another point is that its very telling of you and your party who ignore the fact that Obama has so many transgressions against the American people, his widening of NSA intelligence on the American people, the use of IRS for political reasons ala Nixonian, his lavish spending and kickbacks to political allies, his handling of the auto industry, his lies about his namesake Obamacare and the pattern of dishonestly that is the Democrat prevailing policy.

That along with you siding with Bradley Manning and Edward Snowden (both radical liberals) as heroes only shows your hypocrisy knowing that their actions were far worse than anything any Republican has ever done and you have the audacity to bring up Lewis Libby.

You keep lying Meana, it ain't gonna work anymore because the cat is out of the bag !

Mina writes:

Libby was tried in court and convicted.

FormerNPer writes:

OJ was found innocent. Your point?

FormerNPer writes:

in response to Mina:

The difference is that when Democrats accuse someone they have proof. When Republicans accuse someone all they have is a vendetta.

In the Valerie Plame case, Libby was indited because he actually broke the law and there's proof.

No one has been prosecuted in the Benghazi case because no law was broken and everyone did their job. Just as a cop in a difficult situation may misfire and shoot the wrong person, that doesn't mean they were guilty - it means they're only human.

There's a big difference.

Really reaching aren't you Mina. What proof do the Democrats have that proves Cristie had knowledge of, or told his administration shut down that bridge? At this point, none.

Thus your Plame argument is only being brought up in order to deflect that while Cristie not only came out in the Press to tell what happened, he fired the person involved. He then proceeded to take questions from the media to make sure they understood his position. Unlike Obama who never fired anyone, and refuses to answer questions about the lies told surrounding Benghazi, the IRS and the NSA scandals.

There is a big difference. The big difference is Republican's continue to take responsibility for situations they are involved in, directly or indirectly. Democrats just wash the blue dress, blame a YouTube video, blame Bush and hope the mess will go away.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if your party grew up and took responsibility? Perhaps we just need to make sure you are no longer in charge of the Senate or the House after these midterms.

Mina writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

OJ was found innocent. Your point?

It takes a lot of very strong evidence to convict someone.

Mina writes:

in response to FormerNPer:

Really reaching aren't you Mina. What proof do the Democrats have that proves Cristie had knowledge of, or told his administration shut down that bridge? At this point, none.

Thus your Plame argument is only being brought up in order to deflect that while Cristie not only came out in the Press to tell what happened, he fired the person involved. He then proceeded to take questions from the media to make sure they understood his position. Unlike Obama who never fired anyone, and refuses to answer questions about the lies told surrounding Benghazi, the IRS and the NSA scandals.

There is a big difference. The big difference is Republican's continue to take responsibility for situations they are involved in, directly or indirectly. Democrats just wash the blue dress, blame a YouTube video, blame Bush and hope the mess will go away.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if your party grew up and took responsibility? Perhaps we just need to make sure you are no longer in charge of the Senate or the House after these midterms.

Emails and the fact that Christie reacted by firing several aids is our evidence. I'll call it proof after he is convicted.

FormerNPer writes:

in response to Mina:

It takes a lot of very strong evidence to convict someone.

Incorrect. It takes money. Money will convict, money will acquit. Juries are just pawns for expensive stories.

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