Smart meters still generating health concerns

Fears take root in Santa Barbara, Ojai, Simi, T.O.

The electrical meter for Marleen Luckman's dwelling is sandwiched between two new smart meters, the kind that some Ojai residents are upset about.Luckman says she worries about a wireless world where electromagnetic radiation is everywhere.

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The electrical meter for Marleen Luckman's dwelling is sandwiched between two new smart meters, the kind that some Ojai residents are upset about.Luckman says she worries about a wireless world where electromagnetic radiation is everywhere.

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Scientists and government-backed research challenge her conclusion. P. Lyn Middleton even questions her own assessments.

Still, the 63-year-old Ojai artist worries the reason she feels lethargic, scattered and unable to focus may be the five wireless electricity counters — "smart meters" — 20 feet from her house.

"I'm not a crazy person, but I do know that something different is happening to me," said Middleton, who plans to pay more than $75 to keep a utility from installing a smart meter near her home. She's willing to pay at least $450 more to convince the landlord of a neighboring apartment complex to remove the digital devices already installed and to keep more meters from being installed.

"It's worth my health to do that," she said. If the landlord wants the meters, she and her husband may move.

Southern California Edison is installing more than 300,000 digital meters across Ventura County, with more than half of them already in place.

An official said alleged health risks have been disproven and dealt with in media interviews, presentations in many cities and the emergence of an opt-out choice. Outside researchers who have studied smart meters say the devices meet safety requirements. They say exposure to radio frequency emissions from cellphones can be, at certain distances, hundreds of times more powerful, though opponents challenge their measurements.

"There is no evidence to suggest that smart meters are producing any level of electromagnetic fields that causes any health effects to anyone," said Emir Macari, a university engineering dean and part of a research team that tackled smart meters for the California Council on Science and Technology.

The meters, however, continue to trigger anxiety in many communities. Fears are germinating in Ojai like they have in Santa Barbara, Marin County, Burbank and hot spots across California and the nation.

'Being forced down our throats'

At the last two Ojai City Council meetings, nearly 40 people vented their concerns. They worry the meter's low-level radio frequency emissions may contribute to problems ranging from fatigue and headaches to autism and cancer.

They cite research claiming cellphones may over years contribute to brain cancer, although the National Cancer Institute asserts the link has not been proven. They point to work suggesting electromagnetic radiation may interfere with the way human cells interact with each other, causing more extreme problems for people believed to be hypersensitive to the emissions.

The angst, which spills into concerns that the meters can be used to gather data and invade privacy, has prompted Ojai city leaders to consider an ordinance attempting to block further installation of the meters. They've been told such a moratorium likely wouldn't work because the California Public Utilities Commission already has given its approval.

"I believe there is enough controversy with regards to their safety that it warrants us taking a hard look at it," said Councilman Paul Blatz. "I do believe it's being forced down our throats."

The digital meters are designed to allow consumers and utilities to better track and conserve energy. The state commission that regulates Edison and other utilities has approved an opt-out plan for people who don't want smart meters. But there's an initial fee of $75 and a monthly charge of $10.

The charges, despite demands for free opt-outs from many California communities, are necessary to cover manual meter reading and other activities needed to maintain the old analog meters, according to Edison.

"It's extortion," said Marleen Luckman, a biologist and Ojai planning commissioner. "I feel like they're bribing people to go with the smart meter."

Luckman worries about a wireless world where electromagnetic radiation is everywhere. She holds her cellphone 5 inches from her ear. She doesn't own a microwave. And she will opt out on her smart meter.

She said the level of electromagnetic radiation will increase in the future when utility companies connect the meters to smart appliances in a person's home or business.

"I think they haven't done the research, and they don't want to think about it," she said of Edison. "I wish I didn't have to think about it."

New technology

But there has been research, including double-blind studies, on smart meters, said Roger Levy, a Sacramento consultant with the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, part of a research network supported by the U.S. Department of Energy. Levy's team has advised government bodies across the nation on smart meter research.

He said reported symptoms of headaches and fatigue can't be dismissed, but there's no evidence linking them to smart meters. The devices are a very small and insignificant contributor to radio frequency emissions that surround everyone.

"Unless you live in a salt mine deep underground in Utah somewhere, you are exposed," Levy said, contending the lack of proof means additional research shouldn't be a high priority.

High powers of radio frequency can raise body temperature and cause health problems, according to an April 2011 report by the California Council on Science and Technology, which conducts research for state government. But emissions from smart meters do not come remotely near danger levels, the report said.

Conducted for members of the state Assembly, the study also cites research suggesting emissions can affect energy emitted by human cells, possibly causing a wide range of illnesses. Researchers said it's impossible to identify all long-term effects of relatively new technology.

"It has been studied as much as possible and no one has been able to come up with a conclusion that a smart device or anything like that is the cause of the problem," said Macari, a dean at CSU Sacramento and director of the school's Smart Grid Center.

The great unknown

Opponents of smart meters question the objectivity of the research. They quote studies and papers focused on exposing the dangers of electromagnetic fields. An April position statement by the American Academy of Environmental Medicine expressed concern about the massive increase in wireless emissions.

"Multiple studies correlate (radio frequency) exposure with diseases such as cancer, neurological disease, reproductive disorders, immune dysfunction and electromagnetic hypersensitivity," the statement read.

If some people want meters, that's their choice, said Dr. Robin Bernhoft, an Ojai environmental medicine specialist and an academy member. He used graphite paint in his office to protect environmentally sensitive patients from a nearby cellphone tower. He already has opted out from smart meters.

"If people in Ojai and Santa Barbara are sophisticated enough to realize there's a real issue, then more power to them," he said.

More than 150,000 meters have been installed in Ventura County. In Simi Valley, 12 people have complained to the City Council about smart meters since November. In Thousand Oaks, a handful of people have targeted the meters at council meetings.

"As far as our office is concerned, I've only had one call," said Ann Simmons, an executive assistant to Ventura's city manager.

In Ojai, people appeared not only before the City Council but also called on the Ventura County Board of Supervisors to attempt a countywide ban. Smart meters have caused similar concerns in the Bay Area town of Fairfax, where the issue has its own page on the town's website.

Jerrold Bushberg is a physicist at UC Davis and senior vice president for the National Council on Radiation Protection & Measurements. He said little evidence exists validating dangers of smart meters but said people may be swayed by references to radiation, cancer and an opt-out choice that comes with a price tag.

"I think the issue is any time when you are mandating something to happen, especially when it's attached to a person's home, there's going to be a certain faction that doesn't want to be told this is going to happen, and there's nothing you can do about it," he said.

Middleton, who worries about the five meters near her house, thinks concerns proliferate in communities where people gather information not just from one source but many. Her worries are seeded by the lack of definitive answers.

"They say there's no scientific evidence that they're harmful," she said. "There's no evidence saying they aren't harmful."

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Bongo writes:

Hilarious.

Ojai liberals tilting at windmills.

When is Ojai city council going to take up the "chemtrails" crusade? Hows the "fracking" crusade going? Koch brothers? Genetic modified corn?

These liberals without a cause need to think of bigger worthier problems than this to crusade against.

How bout Afghanistan or starvation in the Sudan?

And how exactly do you propose to reduce "peak power" excepting by monitoring it real time and making folks pay more for it. Reducing peak power is a good thing to do for the environment. Unless of course you like new power plants and transmission wires.

Get a life, get a cause, and better yet get of the grid and quit trying to push your beloved dumb meters "down my throat".

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oxnard_citizen_805 writes:

What else are we going to worry about? We already have pink slime, smog, second hand smoke, processed food chemicals. I'd say don't worry about it and enjoy yourself!

Here's a tip; Tape aluminum wrap (like the sandwich wraping type" opposite of the smart meter. It may block the radiation coming into your home. ;-)

simi101 writes:

Electricity also emits radiation, so be extra safe...have Edison turn off your power. Still feel lethargic?

smithjc#403367 writes:

in response to Hey_Scapegoat:

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^5

126west writes:

And what about your cell phone?

Time for the aluminum foil hats.

IsthisAmerica writes:

Live in Camarillo and we had no say so as to the Smart Meters we all had them installed on our street plus the entire City. We had alot of electrical issues after with our elite Kenmore Dryer and Frig. But health, the meter is way on the other side of the garage and no one has issues. My concern is when then put them in there might be a surge on non-surge applicances while using them.

This health crape is stupid as it goes to show you only in Ojai would it happen.

Actually our electrical has gone down, and we have all electric in our home.

So whats the big deal OJAI?

bionox writes:

oxnard_citizen_805, really it's a win-win situation. The emf from the smart meters sterilizes the pink slime in your ground beef. This is truly "better living through technology"!

As far as feeling lethargic, scattered and unable to focus, isn't that the whole point of living in Ojai?

OjaiGuy writes:

"Still, the 63-year-old Ojai artist worries the reason she feels lethargic, scattered and unable to focus..."

I'm experiencing the same symptoms, as well as aches and pains. Wait a minute, we don't have a Smart Meter. I think I'm experiencing what the doctor calls "Aging".

hotmail writes:

Sounds like the ayes have it. Ojai is crazy. Feeling lethargic? Have your thyroid checked rather than blaming it on smart meters. All they do is report your usage back to the alien home base. In the future we may expect more but not until we have reverse engineered the flying saucer technology to make it work, /sarcasm

northwestprincess writes:

Maybe this elderly woman should consider a change. Go off the grid, move to a small, sustainable house, trailer, or tent. Put up solar panels, light candles, burn wood, problem solved! It is 2012, living in a city, yes, even Ojai is a city, you cannot escape technologies that could be construed as "suspect". Choices, other than being a nimby, kumbaya!

MOR writes:

Haha! I'm heading up to Ojai to open a shop that sells nothing but lead macrame vests. I'm gonna be rich!

Cam_Cracker writes:

After seeing myself glow at night, I thought, " must be them smart meters give'n me the glow. But wait! problem solved! I removed the cell phone stuck in my ear (for a car accident where I wasn't paying attention),cut out the pink slime I was eat'n from Wal-mart and low and behold I solved the problem. Now, if only I ould see correctly, I dee's spots before my eyes and have to quite look'n at the sun. Well I corrected one problem anyway.

acerbas writes:

http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN12/w...

SMART METERS: AND IGNORANT JOURNALISTS.

Several years ago, I signed up for "Google Alerts" about the purported link between "cell-phone radiation and cancer." It's a great service. I get hundreds of Alerts about cell phones, almost all of which are dead wrong. That's fine; what I'm trying to figure out is why reporters so consistently get it wrong. I tried doing an additional search for "Einstein." It was, after all, Einstein's Nobel Prize winning 1905 paper on the Photoelectric Effect that introduced the concept of wave/particle duality. Einstein described electromagnetic radiation as discrete packets of energy (now called "photons") equal to the wave frequency times Planck's constant. Photoemission is thus possible only for photons of energy greater than the ionization threshold (about 5 eV for metals). That's in the ultraviolet region of the radiation spectrum, starting at the blue limit of the visible spectrum. Ultraviolet radiation can create mutant strands of DNA that are the seeds of skin cancer. That's why you should avoid tanning salons. You should also avoid sticking your head in microwave ovens with the interlock disabled. Microwave photons from cell phones, microwave ovens, smart meters, and Wi-Fi all have energies about a million times too low to create mutant strands of DNA. Better you should worry about the impending solar maximum. Microwaves can cook your goose, but you will die cancer free.

cassandra2 writes:

Part of the Republican war on science? Nope this one has adherents across the political spectrum. Along with contrails and 911-is-an inside-job.

Big Brother is monitoring you, but not with smart meters.

Okay, maybe not you, but probably me and some of my friends. The Fourth Amendment is stressed but not entirely dead.

acerbas writes:

http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN11/w...

SMART METERS: CONSPIRACY OF IGNORANCE.

It can be safely argued that the biggest threat to life on this planet is ignorance, followed perhaps by global warming. The lights over most of the Northeastern United States and parts of Canada began to flicker at 4:11 pm on Thursday, August 14, 2003. It was the start of the most extensive electrical blackout in history, covering the entire Northeast and parts of Canada, yet no one understood how it happened. Five electric power companies that shared a common grid pointed fingers at one another. The purpose of the grid is clear: electric power cannot be stored. Power companies must generate the exact amount of power that is being used, adjusting to every electrical switch that is thrown. Linking power companies in a grid should mean a statistically smoother demand, thus reducing local blackouts. But the grid has grown so complex no one understood it. The Recovery and Reinvestment Act called for a smarter electric grid that could accurately anticipate demand. This would start with the use of smart power meters. For most of you, the meter reader hacking his way through your shrubs to get at the power meter has been replaced by a Wi-Fi that can update consumption at frequent intervals. Accurate data on power consumption patterns would benefit both the power company and the consumer. As WN has repeatedly observed, the energy of microwave photons is about 1 million times too low to cause ionization. No ionization, no cancer. If the laws of physics don't work for you, I should point out that the radiation emitted by a smart meter adds up to about one Watt when it's transmitting, which it usually is not; that's less than a cell phone. Moreover, people don't usually hold their power meter against the side of their head for hours. However, if you choose to crouch down behind the rhododendrons and hug your power meter all day long you will still suffer no ill effects from microwaves. That's the great thing about being a mammal; we maintain a constant temperature winter and summer. But even if you're a frog, I don't think 1 W would be a problem. However, if you're an Indian frog it might be another matter.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not so sure about the former."
~ Albert Einstein

cassandra2 writes:

p.s. Sometimes I think the problem of stupidity is not confined to any portion of the political continuum but just to humanity in general.

No2SmartMeters writes:

The so-called experts cited above who claim that there are "double-blind studies" on smart meters are wrong. Those don't exist. The CCST did not do research on smart meters, they recycled the utility companies' propaganda and republished it. Don't ask physicists and engineers whether these horrific meters are dangerous - they have no background to pass judgement on health issues. Follow the money - the US Dept of Energy, CCST, engineering departments, and utilities have conflicts of interest - listen to the environmental physicians. Opt-out of smart meters and get them banned. The reporter has thrown lots of conflicted people's opinions w/false info into this article, don't be fooled. There are thousands of studies that show this exact kind of pulsed RF radiation is very hazardous. The military even uses it for electromagnetic weaponry, which yields the same health effects complained about. Don't be "had", opt-out. Ye conflicted so-called experts- begone. Go to http://www.scribd.com/doc/92594589/SC... for opt-out information and www.electrosmogprevention.org for a smart meter Public Health Alert and more.

wolf9walker writes:

in response to 1Patriot:

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Wait!! You paid $75 to opt out and $10 a month? I didn’t get that choice, or at least didn’t see one. They came and put it in one day while I was at work, and my bill dropped by $20 this month. So you’re spending $75 this year and $120 every year to not have a meter? But I guess I’ll wait and see what next couple of months bill is before I laugh at people paying extra money to opted out.

I don’t like that this will put people could be out of work.

As for the meters giving off radiation, well that could be true, but if you believe that then you have to believe that wireless can also give off bad waves. And look how many places offer wireless, not to mention the wireless devices that almost everyone has. Plus you also have to believe that smog is bad for you, after all it cant be good breathing something that you can see.

DeputyDoofus writes:

I usually lean towards the liberal side of things, but this is just plain STUPID. What a waste of time.

You've had a meter with dozens of amps of AC running through it, creating an electromagnetic field and don't seem to mind for years. Now they add a tiny insignificant radio transmitter and you want to go bananas over electromagnetic radiation? ARGH! That makes NO SENSE, even to a hippie bleeding heart liberal like me.

"Bongo" says these liberals need a real cause, but he was being sarcastic. Well I agree with Bongo on this one, and I'm serious! Put your efforts somewhere worthwhile!

OxnardSage writes:

As far as feeling lethargic, scattered and unable to focus, isn't that the whole point of living in Ojai?

Schedule the first annual tin foil hat event, and wear them!!!

Read more: http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/may/0...
- vcstar.com

MyOpinion writes:

in response to DeputyDoofus:

I usually lean towards the liberal side of things, but this is just plain STUPID. What a waste of time.

You've had a meter with dozens of amps of AC running through it, creating an electromagnetic field and don't seem to mind for years. Now they add a tiny insignificant radio transmitter and you want to go bananas over electromagnetic radiation? ARGH! That makes NO SENSE, even to a hippie bleeding heart liberal like me.

"Bongo" says these liberals need a real cause, but he was being sarcastic. Well I agree with Bongo on this one, and I'm serious! Put your efforts somewhere worthwhile!

Wait, "leaning toward the liberal side of things" means you don't actual THINK about things, you just assume what they feed you is fact. Better check that thinking attitude or you may actually become enlightened.

Bongo writes:

in response to MyOpinion:

Wait, "leaning toward the liberal side of things" means you don't actual THINK about things, you just assume what they feed you is fact. Better check that thinking attitude or you may actually become enlightened.

In a nut shell Liberals let the emotional side of their brain dominate the analytical.

This we have chemtrails, smartmeters, Palins daughter, Koch brothers, fracking, smart meters and of course his beloved race card on the front page of liberals news.

Its all emotional drivel designed to obfuscate the inept Obama presidency.

None of it will create a single job or solve the deficit crisis.

Obama is over. It would have been so simple if we could all just hope and change all of our problems away. Nothing is ever that simple.

joanarc52 writes:

in response to Bongo:

Hilarious.

Ojai liberals tilting at windmills.

When is Ojai city council going to take up the "chemtrails" crusade? Hows the "fracking" crusade going? Koch brothers? Genetic modified corn?

These liberals without a cause need to think of bigger worthier problems than this to crusade against.

How bout Afghanistan or starvation in the Sudan?

And how exactly do you propose to reduce "peak power" excepting by monitoring it real time and making folks pay more for it. Reducing peak power is a good thing to do for the environment. Unless of course you like new power plants and transmission wires.

Get a life, get a cause, and better yet get of the grid and quit trying to push your beloved dumb meters "down my throat".

Prof Glen Chase UC Santa Cruz exposes Pacific Gas Electric lies http://thepowerfilm.org/thurs-april-2... Corporate lies to a judge.
Can you handle the truth? Where did the data come from for that VC Star "graph"? Southern Cal Edison? Really?

Lets_Be_Truthful writes:

The charges, despite demands for free opt-outs from many California communities, are necessary to cover manual meter reading and other activities needed to maintain the old analog meters, according to Edison.

Corporate's greedy hands in our pockets again. They were already getting paid to do this so why now is it something extra? Talk about extortion.

Bongo writes:

Yep drug induced paranoia interlaced with a touch of narcism and voila Koch brothers, chemtrails, fracking and smartmeters and oh by the way your a "sheep".

Interesting board.

lumberjack writes:

in response to No2SmartMeters:

The so-called experts cited above who claim that there are "double-blind studies" on smart meters are wrong. Those don't exist. The CCST did not do research on smart meters, they recycled the utility companies' propaganda and republished it. Don't ask physicists and engineers whether these horrific meters are dangerous - they have no background to pass judgement on health issues. Follow the money - the US Dept of Energy, CCST, engineering departments, and utilities have conflicts of interest - listen to the environmental physicians. Opt-out of smart meters and get them banned. The reporter has thrown lots of conflicted people's opinions w/false info into this article, don't be fooled. There are thousands of studies that show this exact kind of pulsed RF radiation is very hazardous. The military even uses it for electromagnetic weaponry, which yields the same health effects complained about. Don't be "had", opt-out. Ye conflicted so-called experts- begone. Go to http://www.scribd.com/doc/92594589/SC... for opt-out information and www.electrosmogprevention.org for a smart meter Public Health Alert and more.

I read your link, and found nothing relevant to smart meters - just more propaganda. Especially noted where the link talked about a second transmitter that will control appliances - impossible to do without rewiring the house. If you would post the studies that prove smart meters are hazardous, perhaps more people would start believing you.

raylaw43#321876 writes:

I do not worry about health hazards with smart meters. I opted out to protect my privacy.

My kitchen appliances do not yet talk to a central computer, but my wiring does. With a smart meter, the meter knows and transmits my usage by the minute. I can then be told than my usage was too high at a particular time, and that I should reduce it. If I do not reduce it voluntarily, SCE will simply cut me off for three hours a day, or surcharge me for excessive use.

Also, SCE can market my usage and my demographic.

I value my privacy.

kelley.t.m#224419 writes:

I'm almost 63, and since 1968 I've worked around and in so much electromagnetic energy that I should be a piece of popcorn, if we believe the allegations of the anti-smart meter crowd. But I'm not.

Here's the thing: your opinions are not facts. If you would learn something about electricity and electromagnetic forces (EMF), and it's not hard, you would know better. We are already completely surrounded by EMF 24/7/365. Listen to the radio? Watch the local weather's Doppler radar? Watch TV? Use a cell phone? A microwave? A computer? Drive?

But do watch out for vaccinations--they cause autism, you know. And aluminum in your deodorant causes breast cancer. What? You haven't heard?

NothingButTheTruth writes:

Gosh.... I don't know what to do... the sky was supposed to fall in today and I didn't find my name in the obits!! My, oh my..... what should I do?

kelley.t.m#224419 writes:

in response to 1Patriot:

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In case you haven't heard, electric power cannot be stored at usable power grid levels. By using smart meters, the power companies can monitor usage down to the single home level and adjust their power generation accordingly and almost instantaneously. That saves everyone money, and it cuts the pollution from that generation to its lowest possible level as a result. Do have a question though: why would anyone want to monitor you?

Bongo writes:

in response to raylaw43#321876:

I do not worry about health hazards with smart meters. I opted out to protect my privacy.

My kitchen appliances do not yet talk to a central computer, but my wiring does. With a smart meter, the meter knows and transmits my usage by the minute. I can then be told than my usage was too high at a particular time, and that I should reduce it. If I do not reduce it voluntarily, SCE will simply cut me off for three hours a day, or surcharge me for excessive use.

Also, SCE can market my usage and my demographic.

I value my privacy.

Wow! Ray Wow!

How is SCE going to "market your usage and demographic"? Is it worth that much?

Please help me understand.

I didnt know SCE would cut you off for 3 days at a time? Does it say so on their website? Or do they just do it and not tell anyone?

I understand the surcharge for peak. Is the discount for off peak was another SCE lie?

If you bought a bank of batteries you could filter out your power useage so that the SCE meter wouldnt see it real time. Maybe you should do that?

ssminnow writes:

They're just worried about their indoor pot grows :)

gdawg2112 writes:

The responses to this are very enlightening (Ray, Cass). Sadly, I agree with TomcatDriver and I'm ROTFLMAO.

Lets_Be_Truthful writes:

“The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” - Thomas Henry Huxley

cassandra2 writes:

Wait! I was wrong!!

The dude from SCE installed my smart meter this afternoon and already I have a loss of mental stability. I have become a conservative--I can't think except in terms of black and white, any factual information gives me the wobblies, I believe the president was foreign born-- possibly in Northern China, (otherwise why is he so nice to them?). I have an inexplicable desire to give everything I have to the most wealthy and to privatize Social Security under the management of former Anderson Accounting executives.

The climate isn't changing. Glaciers are receding to get away from Obama and the water level is rising because of displacement from all our happy fat people in the ocean on a hot day. Pollution is good for you, keeps your immune system alert and active.

Oh, yeah, and I don't see any reason why any child in America shouldn't be able to carry an UZI to school.

focalmatic writes:

They installed the new one today at our house, about 3pm.

heritagevalley11 writes:

Absolem,

Two things you forgot:
Besides your views on how wireless doesn't affect the human body, which can only be determined in time since all radiation is accumulative, here are the other issues.

1) Wireless can be hacked, always has, always will. Ask the CIA, FBI, NSA, NASA, ect ....
When you are hacked let's see how you feel about SMART meters.

2) Greed. Just like every other big business your data will be used against you. You’re using your electricity at peak; let’s keep increasing your bill. You’re running your business from home to save a few dollars, not going to happen; let’s keep increasing your bill. Grandpa is now living with you and its 100 degrees outside, wow, that electricity is higher than it's EVER been.

Ignorance is living in a fairy tale world.

raylaw43#321876 writes:

in response to Bongo:

Wow! Ray Wow!

How is SCE going to "market your usage and demographic"? Is it worth that much?

Please help me understand.

I didnt know SCE would cut you off for 3 days at a time? Does it say so on their website? Or do they just do it and not tell anyone?

I understand the surcharge for peak. Is the discount for off peak was another SCE lie?

If you bought a bank of batteries you could filter out your power useage so that the SCE meter wouldnt see it real time. Maybe you should do that?

I never said that I would be cut off for three days, only three hours, for over-usage."Usage and demographic" is worth that much. Do you have "club" cards from Ralphs, Vons or Albertson's? They do not give you the cards to save you money. They want your usage and demographic to sell to marketers.

You may have ignored advertising material you may have received which happen to know that you buy coffee creamer or margarine or dog food, but where did that information come from?

Why do people claim to be paying more after the installation of the smart meters? You "understand the surcharge for peak"; I do not. Nor do I understand any discount off peak.

acerbas writes:

in response to cassandra2:

Wait! I was wrong!!

The dude from SCE installed my smart meter this afternoon and already I have a loss of mental stability. I have become a conservative--I can't think except in terms of black and white, any factual information gives me the wobblies, I believe the president was foreign born-- possibly in Northern China, (otherwise why is he so nice to them?). I have an inexplicable desire to give everything I have to the most wealthy and to privatize Social Security under the management of former Anderson Accounting executives.

The climate isn't changing. Glaciers are receding to get away from Obama and the water level is rising because of displacement from all our happy fat people in the ocean on a hot day. Pollution is good for you, keeps your immune system alert and active.

Oh, yeah, and I don't see any reason why any child in America shouldn't be able to carry an UZI to school.

lol

THX1138 writes:

I can't say that I buy into EMF issue; however my concern is whether these devices can be remotely altered to report false or erroneous measurement of usage.
Like many I don't trust corporations; their main focus is profits and nothing else. It would be very easy to manipulate the calibration of this complex device. Unlike the old analog meters that work by means of induction.
Even if you monitor the reading off the meter - how does Joe Customer know that their meter is in fact calibrated..?

KevinSchmidt writes:

I find it ironic that the naysayers try to discredit real science with juvenile name calling and off topic idiocy.

raylaw43#321876 writes:

in response to THX1138:

I can't say that I buy into EMF issue; however my concern is whether these devices can be remotely altered to report false or erroneous measurement of usage.
Like many I don't trust corporations; their main focus is profits and nothing else. It would be very easy to manipulate the calibration of this complex device. Unlike the old analog meters that work by means of induction.
Even if you monitor the reading off the meter - how does Joe Customer know that their meter is in fact calibrated..?

Your point is perceptive. When something is measured by machine, that measurement is accurate only if the machine is accurate.

Calibration is done against another machine, but there is no assurance that the calibrator is accurate.

Many folks have gotten speeding tickets where the cops have said that they "clocked" the speed according to their "calibrated" speedometer. Simply, the CHP, for example, has applied a machine to the police car Once 65 mph is hit on the machine and matches the reading on the car speedometer, the speedometer is calibrated.

But who knows if the calibrator is accurate? Who calibrates the machine that calibrates the calibrator?

SpartanFan writes:

I did a lot of looking into these meters and absolutely will not let one be put on my property!!! Take a look at Youtube, there are some where people have posted the location of their Smart Meters where all the plants are dieing, bees abandoning their hive.

SpartanFan writes:

There sure are a lot of commenters in here who have probably not done a lick of research on it. I have and did opt out. Yes you had a choice in Camarillo, you just didn't read the brochure that came n the mail.
Not the same as a cell phone considering they put out over 100 times the amount of EMF. People HAVE become sick. I suggest you do your homework because there is a lot to read on it in the internet, lots of Youtube videos to see. IT isn't safe. If it will kill the plants around it it can hurt you to.

Bongo writes:

in response to raylaw43#321876:

I never said that I would be cut off for three days, only three hours, for over-usage."Usage and demographic" is worth that much. Do you have "club" cards from Ralphs, Vons or Albertson's? They do not give you the cards to save you money. They want your usage and demographic to sell to marketers.

You may have ignored advertising material you may have received which happen to know that you buy coffee creamer or margarine or dog food, but where did that information come from?

Why do people claim to be paying more after the installation of the smart meters? You "understand the surcharge for peak"; I do not. Nor do I understand any discount off peak.

Dont understand the surcharge for peak? OK Have you noticed the new peaker plant on harbor? That thing isnt free.

Another thing is the peaker plant is less efficient than the mainline plant.

The peaker is only designed to produced power for a few hours a day in the middle of the summer. That is all. Lot of equipment to buy, ,lots of maintenance and then the fuel to run the thing.

Get it. It isnt just evil SCE profits here we are discussing. Its also about SCEs cost.

Lets_Be_Truthful writes:

in response to THX1138:

I can't say that I buy into EMF issue; however my concern is whether these devices can be remotely altered to report false or erroneous measurement of usage.
Like many I don't trust corporations; their main focus is profits and nothing else. It would be very easy to manipulate the calibration of this complex device. Unlike the old analog meters that work by means of induction.
Even if you monitor the reading off the meter - how does Joe Customer know that their meter is in fact calibrated..?

Very valid point. Just be careful the typical posters will attack you, calling you a conservative lol. With the traditional meters we can tell if there is a draw on the system and being charged unfairly. I would like to have an independent company to routinely check the new meters for accuracy.

oneonpch writes:

in response to Lets_Be_Truthful:

Very valid point. Just be careful the typical posters will attack you, calling you a conservative lol. With the traditional meters we can tell if there is a draw on the system and being charged unfairly. I would like to have an independent company to routinely check the new meters for accuracy.

If you care, you can go to Lowes and buy your own inductive power usage logger that can monitor your usage for you. I am sure that if Edison were to falsify their readings you would have the means to take them to court.

Having said that, I dont see how taking the risk of being caught falsifying residential readings would be worth the trouble for Edison.

Utilities would more likely falsify things like infrastructure maintenance costs (ala PG&E) and so on, areas where few are watching. But having said that, I have not noticed Edison doing anything underhanded so far.

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