Grau/McAtee/Hinton: Pension reform needs to be placed front and center

Re: Mike Powers' July 29 commentary, "County tackling pension and budget challenges":

It is important to focus on facts when discussing public pensions. Low average pension figures are a smoke screen and it's disappointing Mike Powers, county executive officer, and many supervisors frequently talk about the low average pension.

The average pension is always low because it includes retirees who worked less than a career with the county, as little as five years, and also retirees and their survivors who retired decades ago when the pension system was reasonable.

These are some of the facts we need to focus on. Ventura County pays some of the highest pensions of any county in California. These extremely high pensions are not paid to the average employee, they are paid to the county's top managers in the coveted benefit levels 1 and 2, elected officials and the safety employees.

The county is currently paying out pensions at the rate of $173 million a year. This is up from $80 million less than 10 years ago.

The number of retirees with pensions over $200,000 a year has doubled in the last two years. Ventura County has more retirees receiving this absurd amount than any other county and quite likely more than all the others combined.

The unfunded liability of the pension fund has now reached the $1 billion level. It was $761 million two years ago.

The supervisors and the CEO are examples of public officials living in denial.

They understate the pension problem and fiscal risks faced by the county while simultaneously turning aside calls for reform.

Instead of addressing pension abuse by top members of county government, CEO Powers and the supervisors blame the courts for changing the rules, the state for cuts in funding, the economy for not recovering. Never do they blame management — and themselves — for protecting the status quo.

There is a shortlist of changes they could take to drastically reduce pension spiking: Phasing out the county pickup of an employee's contribution to the pension fund; eliminate the unique and absurd education policy that exists only to maximize compensation for employees but does not meet any county need; get control of the excessive use of overtime to spike compensation and pensions.

As an example of compensation abuse, we discovered that 29 fire captains and firefighters were paid in excess of $200,000 last year — largely the result of overtime.

One of those fire captains retired in March. In 2011, he set a county record earning $113,000 in overtime, more than doubling his base salary. He could do this simply because management allowed him to.

Now, the retired former fire captain receives an annual pension of $146,304 which is 46 percent higher than his last base salary. This is a product of the system that county management and the Board of Supervisors seem so intent on preserving.

Astoundingly, in a major move away from transparency, the county pension board is now refusing to release details of how his $100,000 base salary was spiked into a $146,000 pension. Can they really believe that the public has no right to know?

It's not surprising that supervisors have been slow to change county pension systems. Politically powerful unions play a major role in maintaining the county's unjustifiably generous pension system. However, members of top management and the Board of Supervisors often have an even greater interest in the current system — their own generous retirement packages.

As county taxpayers confront the crushing cost of pension promises, Ventura County Taxpayers Association (VCTA) asks supervisors to quit shifting the blame and put pension reform at the center of the public agenda — before it becomes a crisis that requires savage cuts in service.

David P. Grau is the chairman of Ventura County Taxpayers Association board of directors. Kevin McAtee and Randy Hinton are VCTA board members.

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eng42 writes:

Overtime does not count towards retirement.
Thus, it makes no difference who is paid the most overtime. It cost the same no matter who works the overtime. And every study has proven that it is cheaper to pay overtime than to hire a full time worker to cover that time slot.
All this is, is either jealousy or a cynical attempt to stir up the public.

Barry_Hussein writes:

in response to eng42:

Overtime does not count towards retirement.
Thus, it makes no difference who is paid the most overtime. It cost the same no matter who works the overtime. And every study has proven that it is cheaper to pay overtime than to hire a full time worker to cover that time slot.
All this is, is either jealousy or a cynical attempt to stir up the public.

Not true.....public safety workers such as Sheriff and Fire do have their overtime factored into their pensions. Safety workers contribute to the biggest problem with the County pension system. So far it has been impossible to alter this situation but it needs to be done immediately and aggressively. Most County workers only receive minimal pensions, but Safety workers (Police/Fire) are completely off the chart. I guarantee that VC will be able to find plenty of willing applicants for those positions even with significant pension reform.

LetsBeRational writes:

All forms of "pension-spiking" need to be eliminated, and not just for new employees. And how about following the federal model and basing pensions on the average of the highest three years of basic salary, with the pension capped at 80% of that?

bionox writes:

Roper supporters beware! This editorial will be around for a while. Outrageous pensions for police and fire is the 800 pound gorilla in the room.http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/aug/1...

eng42 writes:

in response to Barry_Hussein:

Not true.....public safety workers such as Sheriff and Fire do have their overtime factored into their pensions. Safety workers contribute to the biggest problem with the County pension system. So far it has been impossible to alter this situation but it needs to be done immediately and aggressively. Most County workers only receive minimal pensions, but Safety workers (Police/Fire) are completely off the chart. I guarantee that VC will be able to find plenty of willing applicants for those positions even with significant pension reform.

Not true to you.
I found this information on the Ventura County pension calculator for safety members
"Overtime that is scheduled as part of your normal work week
Compensation earnable does not include regular overtime, employer contributions to your 401(k)
or reimbursable expenses such as textbook and tuition reimbursement or mileage. You may find more
information in your bargaining unit MOA on what items are included in your compensation earnable "
Thus, the people who work lots of overtime get no boost in their retirement.
I don't kwow about the police, but Firemen have no regularly scheduled overtime.

bionox writes:

It's unscheduled OT that is expanding the base compensation, eng42.

eng42 writes:

in response to bionox:

It's unscheduled OT that is expanding the base compensation, eng42.

You need to read more carefully. Unscheduled overtime does not count toward your compensation.

kkayla writes:

in response to eng42:

You need to read more carefully. Unscheduled overtime does not count toward your compensation.

Since you seem knowledgeable about this subject, Eng, perhaps you can answer my question: I assume a Fire Captain is a salary employee and if so, why are they paid any ot? Thanks in advance....

aasdf writes:

Then how is the fire fighter in the article is receiving more in retirement than working? A LOT MORE!

What a complete joke.

This is what I've been complaining for YEARS!!!!

Public safety union contracts that have more pork than oscar meyer.

Did I wet your appetite? Then read this article in the OC Register about more abuse taking place.....worker comp rules.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/disabi...

And you wonder why the public is pissed off on how are hard earned tax dollars are being spent (I mean MISPENT)!

kkayla writes:

in response to aasdf:

Then how is the fire fighter in the article is receiving more in retirement than working? A LOT MORE!

What a complete joke.

This is what I've been complaining for YEARS!!!!

Public safety union contracts that have more pork than oscar meyer.

Did I wet your appetite? Then read this article in the OC Register about more abuse taking place.....worker comp rules.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/disabi...

And you wonder why the public is pissed off on how are hard earned tax dollars are being spent (I mean MISPENT)!

I knew I should not have read your suggested site but, of course, I could not resist. Did you watch the special on FOX last night regarding bankrupt cities with certainly more to come? The only "remedy" I can see is taxpayers withholding property taxes in protest to this terrible, unsustainable absurdity. 'IF' Jerry had one brain in his head, he would address this matter before the vote on 30 comes up....and in a huge way. He won't so let's hope 30 fails in enormous numbers.

eng42 writes:

in response to aasdf:

Then how is the fire fighter in the article is receiving more in retirement than working? A LOT MORE!

What a complete joke.

This is what I've been complaining for YEARS!!!!

Public safety union contracts that have more pork than oscar meyer.

Did I wet your appetite? Then read this article in the OC Register about more abuse taking place.....worker comp rules.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/disabi...

And you wonder why the public is pissed off on how are hard earned tax dollars are being spent (I mean MISPENT)!

There are other things besides overtime that count. I don't totally trust the figures given in the article.

eng42 writes:

in response to kkayla:

Since you seem knowledgeable about this subject, Eng, perhaps you can answer my question: I assume a Fire Captain is a salary employee and if so, why are they paid any ot? Thanks in advance....

Sorry to be so long in answering this.
Captains are not salary employee. One step up, battalion chiefs are.

entitledtomyoppinion writes:

To : Eng42

I feel you deserve a big fat ol raise !!
and how many of these "cry-babies" , have worked for 40 years such a physical job, and then retired with no medical benefits !!?

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